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Grundlegende Informationen zu EFA und Berufsberatung

 
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janos_godo
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BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jul 02, 2024 7:28 pm    Titel: Grundlegende Informationen zu EFA und Berufsberatung Antworten mit Zitat

Hallo zusammen,

Dies ist eine Übersetzung aus dem Englischen, also entschuldigen Sie etwaige Grammatikfehler.

Ich werde nächstes Jahr um diese Zeit meinen Abschluss als Informatiker machen. Mir ist klar geworden, dass es ein Fehler war, diesen Weg zu wählen, und ich möchte meinen Kindheitstraum, Pilot zu werden, verwirklichen.

Ich komme aus Ungarn, also wäre meine „beste“ Option, zur Wizz Air Pilot Academy zu gehen, da die Ausbildung hier in Ungarn stattfindet. Ich möchte jedoch nicht 5 Jahre lang für einen Sklavenlohn mit Sklavenplänen arbeiten, nur um dann zu einer Fluggesellschaft der Lufthansa Group zu wechseln.

Wegen meines Umzugs aus Ungarn habe ich viele Fragen zu EFA. Ich hoffe, Sie können einige davon beantworten. Hier sind sie:

• Wenn ich zu EFA komme, werde ich etwa 15.000 € besitzen. Das ist natürlich ein sehr kleiner Betrag, wenn wir über die Flugschule sprechen. Ich komme aus einer durchschnittlichen ungarischen Familie, also ist es praktisch unmöglich, dass meine Eltern mithelfen.

• Ich habe mir die Finanzierungsmöglichkeiten bei EFA angesehen. Brain Capital verlangt ein Startkapital von 30.000 € (?). Albatros ist für Privatkredite (?). Was ist BAföG, was bedeutet „Ausbildungsförderung“?

• Gibt es eine Möglichkeit, dass ich einen Kredit bekomme, der meinen Lebensunterhalt deckt? Wenn nicht, mit wie viel muss ich dann rechnen?

• Ist ein Vertrag mit einer LG-Fluggesellschaft garantiert? Auf einer Website habe ich gelesen, dass er garantiert ist, auf der anderen stand, dass sie 50 % der Ausbildungskosten zurückzahlen, wenn ich innerhalb von 2 Jahren keinen Vertrag bekomme.

• Im Moment spreche ich nur A2-Deutsch, bis ich anfangen würde, könnte ich es auf etwa B1 oder B2 verbessern. Wäre dies ein Nachteil bei der Arbeitssuche bei einer deutschsprachigen Fluggesellschaft?

Glauben Sie, dass es sich unter diesen schwierigen Umständen lohnt, EFA und eine LG-Fluggesellschaft anzustreben, oder sollte ich „auf Nummer sicher gehen“ und es bei Wizz Air versuchen? Ich möchte bald mit meiner Vorbereitung beginnen und muss mich entscheiden, wohin ich gehen möchte, damit ich weiß, worauf ich mich vorbereiten muss. Very Happy

Tut mir leid für die lange Nachricht, ich bin ziemlich überwältigt.

Danke fürs Lesen und für alle Antworten!
Janos
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BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jul 02, 2024 9:45 pm    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

Hello Janos,

as it may be easier for you, I will try to answer your questions in english.

- yes, Albatros is a bank for personal loans. Bafög is a kind of financial help, which will be paid monthly. It is for thoose, who have a special need for. You have to submit a few informations, like your possession, you parents salary and such thing. But for Bafög, i guess someone else can tell you better, or do some searching in the Internet. Especially for the requirements. Brain capital offers a funding program, which pays up to 80000€ for the pilots training. You can consider it more or less like a loan, but with the big advantage, that you have to pay it back only under certain conditions.
But there is personal funding offered by Lufthansa as well. I'm sure, that might be very interesting for you.

https://www.european-flight-academy.com/en/prospects

- I am afraid, that you won't get any loan. Even the pilotstudents in germany do not get a loan, but their parents. Thats a big difference, the bank doesn't matter what you you are doing, they want their loan installment. But would recommend you to look Bafög and the Lufthansa funding program.

- officially nobody gets a employment guarantee. In fact there will be a kind of guarantee, because otherwise would mean a loess to the EFA. But for further, or deeper details, search for the take off promise.

- you need at least a B2 language level in german even before applying at the EFA. I would contact the EFA and ask them, which certificates they accept.

BUT keep in mind, that if you cannot join the EFA for some reasons, it might be a good alternative to go first to wizzair and to change the employer after some time. It is well known, that the conditions are definitely not the best, the same counts for Ryanair. But to gather experience for a few years, they might be good enough. I don't know whether the salary is sufficient for Hungarian conditions. But, if there is a way, as an alternative it can be good enough.

I hope I could help you a little bit.
However i wish you good luck and all the best.

Best regards,
Dennis
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do Jul 04, 2024 2:25 pm    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

E92325 hat folgendes geschrieben:
Hello Janos,

as it may be easier for you, I will try to answer your questions in english.

- yes, Albatros is a bank for personal loans. Bafög is a kind of financial help, which will be paid monthly. It is for thoose, who have a special need for. You have to submit a few informations, like your possession, you parents salary and such thing. But for Bafög, i guess someone else can tell you better, or do some searching in the Internet. Especially for the requirements. Brain capital offers a funding program, which pays up to 80000€ for the pilots training. You can consider it more or less like a loan, but with the big advantage, that you have to pay it back only under certain conditions.
But there is personal funding offered by Lufthansa as well. I'm sure, that might be very interesting for you.

https://www.european-flight-academy.com/en/prospects

- I am afraid, that you won't get any loan. Even the pilotstudents in germany do not get a loan, but their parents. Thats a big difference, the bank doesn't matter what you you are doing, they want their loan installment. But would recommend you to look Bafög and the Lufthansa funding program.

- officially nobody gets a employment guarantee. In fact there will be a kind of guarantee, because otherwise would mean a loess to the EFA. But for further, or deeper details, search for the take off promise.

- you need at least a B2 language level in german even before applying at the EFA. I would contact the EFA and ask them, which certificates they accept.

BUT keep in mind, that if you cannot join the EFA for some reasons, it might be a good alternative to go first to wizzair and to change the employer after some time. It is well known, that the conditions are definitely not the best, the same counts for Ryanair. But to gather experience for a few years, they might be good enough. I don't know whether the salary is sufficient for Hungarian conditions. But, if there is a way, as an alternative it can be good enough.

I hope I could help you a little bit.
However i wish you good luck and all the best.

Best regards,
Dennis


Hello Dennis,

Thank you very much for your detailed reply. You're right, English is much more easier, thank you :D

- I think I will write an email to EFA soon with questions regarding the finances. Probably they will be able to answer the questions taking my situation into account.
I've seen the new Lufthansa Group promotion Program, seems like an amazing offer. However, I read that every year only 10 people get the funding, so I don't think I stand a big change based on my "average" circumstances, as I'm sure there are people coming from far worse conditions.

- Thanks for the heads up regarding the Take-Off Promise, somehow I missed this page completely, now it's much clearer! :)

- Based on EFA's website there's only a requirement to speak at least B2 level English. They don't say much about German, so I thought it'd only be a concert when wanting to get hired. Is the training language German?

I have two friends who work at WizzAir, one is a captain, one is an SFO. The captain is only staying because he'll retire soon and don't want to move his family anywhere. The SFO is looking to move to a Middle-Eastern premium airline soon.
The salary is literally slave wage, even in Hungary. After the deductions to pay off your loans you can expect a net starting salary of 1000-1200 EUR. This, the awful management, and the bad schedule are the main reasons I'd try to avoid this airline as much as possible.
However it's starting to slowly sink in, that I don't really stand a chance anywhere else. Gotta make the best of my opportunities.

Thank you again,
Janos
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do Jul 04, 2024 7:04 pm    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

janos_godo hat folgendes geschrieben:
The SFO is looking to move to a Middle-Eastern premium airline soon.


if you get a job there, it is like winning in the lottery
a friend of mine worked years for Laudamotion airlinesl later LAUDA,
and finally he gut a chance to change from A320 to A388/EK
He is smiling EVERY day, and grateful for the joboffer there. Very Happy
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do Jul 04, 2024 7:43 pm    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

Hello Janos,

you're welcome, I'm pleased, that I could help you a little bit Smile

- That would be the best I think, they may give you further informations and maybe a contact. You never know just give it a try, you have nothing to loose.

- You're welcome Smile

- That's right, but it seems like they assume that the most people, who are visiting the website are German native speakers.
I copied you a link where you will a few informations about the recruitment requirement at the certain airline of the Lufthansa Group.

https://www.european-flight-academy.com/documents/d/european-flight-academy/airlines-voraussetzungen

I don't know what is die training language, I just passed my DLR exam, unfortunately except English, so I need an B2 certificate 😅
But as I know, the exams are in English.

- That's a pity to hear. I know, that some private carriers even here in Germany offer an similar salary, but that should be forbidden.

You're welcome, if you have any further questions, let me know, I'll try to answer them.

Best regards,
Dennis
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BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Jul 10, 2024 11:16 am    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

Since the EFA will raise their training costs again soon, training at EFA is a premium product.
If you are not fluent in German, you cannot get into Lufthansa Passage, Swiss, Austrian or Eurowings GmbH. That's basically, where the good contracts are at.
Thus, LH City or EW Europe are the only options within the group for English speaking applicants.

I am not sure whether it is really worth it to go take on the burden of 120k in training costs + living expenses, just to end up in a contract that might not be all that different from Wizz.

My recommendation would be to do your training either at Wizz, fly there for a couple of years and then switch to a different Airline;
or to do your training at a private flight school and apply to e.g. Eurowings Europe to gather experience and then do the switch.
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BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Jul 10, 2024 12:33 pm    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

Regarding the training costs.. Where do you have this information from? Did someone mention something about raising the training costs?
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do Jul 11, 2024 10:40 am    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

You will probably see it soon on EFAs website.
The student pilots have been informed about the raise.
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BeitragVerfasst am: Do Jul 11, 2024 12:16 pm    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

Ok thank you.
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BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Jul 17, 2024 8:35 am    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

Seems like the price raise is public now.
The total fee has been raised from 110k to 120k, without any changes to the curriculum.
However, Brain Capital will offer 110k from now on, meaning you "only" have to pay 10k out of pocket.
Considering the living expenses (around 20-25k for the 2 years) it will take around 30-35k to complete the program.
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